tesla Battery replacement cost in 10-12 years
Hi everyone. I live in Montreal and I am looking at buying a model 3 (standard range or long range - I’m still undecided). I always keep my vehicles for 12 plus years. My current one is over 15 years old and close to 300k km. Are there any estimates / projections of what a model 3 battery pack replacement will cost in 10 to 12 years from now (if ever I needed a replacement)? Thank you for your help and advice.
*** Update *** thank you for all your comments and advice. I was not expecting so many to respond! I understand that ICE vehicles have their share of expensive repairs (transmissions, engines, exhaust…) My question comes from the fact that i have been driving ICE vehicles for over 30 years and the most expensive repair was a 2500$ transmission (7 years ago). When I see people talking about 17K$ battery replacements (and I understand it’s a small % and most are still under warranty right now) - I find it a bit shocking. My expectation is that the cost of battery replacement over the next 5-10 years should go down as newer technologies become available. I also understand that most batteries may last 15+ years and that I may never need a replacement. My questions was more if you guys have seen any reports talking about battery replacement cost over the next decade or maybe know of companies that are starting to specialize in this type of business. Thanks again.
We don't know for sure how long Tesla batteries will last yet. There are plenty of Model S cars still going strong after 10 years and they made significant design improvements to the batteries since then. The 10-12 year battery replacement is a myth spread by the anti-EV crowd.
Tesla says their packs are engineered for a mean fail time of 300K miles. For most people that’s 20+ years of ownership. Wouldn’t worry about this. You’re fully covered for 8 years. If it fails after this period, just sell it for parts and get a new car. https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/
Thank you for the info and sharing the article!
LFP 1 million miles. LFP is concidered to last 3x longer.
yes just get a whole ass new car every 8 years
In the unlikely event that car's battery fails in that time frame; assume to cost to repair forces a total loss. The expectation is not that you will have to get a new car every 8 yrs at all.
I think good majority of the people are over 90% capacity at 125k miles.
I’m at 95% at 110,000 miles. About 40% of my charging is at superchargers.
2018 M3P, 89% at 94k miles. I'd say 50% SC charging and mostly socal freeway miles.
Roughly the same, maybe 5% super charger use. About 89% when fully charged with 168.6K miles. Charging at home on a 220v and charge point at work.
About to break 100k mark end of month! Lol
I’m at 85% capacity with 46K miles and been around 85% since around 30K miles. The good news is it seems stable over the past 15k miles.
Same I’m closer to 80% with 46k miles. Do you have a 2019 standard range as well? My friend has the same issue and got his a month before mine
Damn, 80% isn’t great. :(
I’ve got a 2018 LR. Still plenty of range for around town. I do feel it on trips though.
According to the IHS, most new car buyers keep their car for 6 years. It's not far fetched
That’s tragic. Why? Cars can easily and reliably be kept on the road for decades at a lower price than buying new every 8 years.
Um. How do you think a "Used Car Industry" exists? Did you think manufacturers produced new used cars?
What? People aren't throwing them in a junk yard after 6 years lol. The average age of cars on the road has actually gone up recently to 11 years. So cars are actually being used longer than they used to be. Just not by the person who originally bought it
No, it’s that this is the floor. The is the absolute soonest you might want to get another car. Most likely your good for 20+ years.
ICE vehicles are typically junked at 200-250k miles, which is 15-18 years of average driving. If av EV battery lasts 300k miles as estimated that is 22 years of average driving. So, yes, you might have to buy a new car every 22 years.
Or based on the fact that a variety of vehicles have required some sort of battery service in this timeframe. Nissan Leafs have shit thermal management, so it could be required in even less time. You often have to replace a few cells in a Pius battery pack eventually.
I don't think it's conspiratorial. We don't yet understand exactly how Tesla batteries will age, and in the meantime assumptions are drawn based on previous data. Doesn't mean that Tesla's going to face the same hurdles. Like you say, there's been a lot of advancement in technology, and Tesla is at the forefront.
And by then, there will likely be a lot more EV players on the field and after-market battery replacements that cost a fraction of the price. There will be options a decade later. Enjoy the Tesla!
A co-worker of mine has a Tesla S P85 from 2016 that is down to about 70% of his original range on is stock battery and is well over 200k miles. The car is looking rough, the interior has not held up well, he has seat covers on the front seats as they are falling apart. He had to have the rear motor replaced during the covid pandemic which had him without the car for 3 months. The passenger front door was replaced, it was coming apart and the window got stuck half way down. The MFD was replaced I think last year. He said he goes through tires about every 18 months.
Based on the tire comment, I would venture to guess that he isn’t very nice to his car.
I won’t say Model S cars from the early to mid 2010s promote high build quality conducive to long term ownership, but with the tires going bad that quickly, something tells me he needs to be getting an alignment more often.
I think both can be true. He’s not easy on the car and the car itself has quality issues.
It’s always funny when people don’t take care of their cars and they wonder why their cars are falling apart lol…
Ok, I’m a car guy…what form of maintenance do you suggest to extend the life of a car door, drive motor, or window regulator? The only item in his list that might be related to upkeep is the seats.
Ding ding ding. I’ve had the same tires on my 3 for about 2 years now and was just talking with a tire guy (who was putting a plug in) who thought I probably had about 2, maybe 3 years left. And I’m a uh, spirited driver, at times…
Just curious, how many miles did you put on the past 2 years? Cus the other guy has "well over" 200k in just 5.5 years. Sounds like he's getting great tire life.
He's one of our salesmen and drives that thing all over the gulf coast area at about 20k miles a year mostly highway.
3/Y are much better engineered. Those early S models were when Tesla was still getting their manufacturing legs and trying to survive.
Average car lifespan is 12 years and 200k miles. Many argue 300k miles is more realistic for a typical EV. Seems like your co-worker has been effectively running some accelerated wear testing by compressing that into 7 years.
200k miles in 7 years is 28,500 miles per year. 18 month tire replacement interval would line up with roughly 43,000 miles which is not all that unreasonable. These numbers only go up if you consider he went without the car for 3 months and presumably their driving was reduced during COVID.
I can pretty much guarantee he'd have a whole lot more maintenance complaints from just about any other vehicle under the same usage, especially an ICE one. If anything, this is quite an endorsement considering how many things Tesla has improved since 2016.
Oh I'm not shitting on the Tesla, it has held up well, I know a few model 3 owners who love them. Tesla's build quality at the start was kinda ass and seems to relapse with each model but after the first year or two of each they seem to get their shit together.
Tires every 18 months? Are they on the track too?
The trick is regular cars fail predictably and gradually at some point it makes more sense to dump the car instead of spending money on fixing it.
But EV is different. It only has battery and drivetrain for the most part and as long as they work it doesn't make sense to dump the car for a very long time.
But when it does eventually die, replacement is so expensive that it's pretty much instant salvage and it's not as predictable as with gas cars.
It could work for a million miles or it could fail after 140k miles just looking at data here.
So it's really tricky.
LFP battery should last a long time.
yeah, 5000 cycles a 350km range = 1,7mio km or 1mi miles to end of life
plenty of range
Longer than I’ve ever owned a car times 3.
Let me put it this way. I'm literally saving around CAD$300 per month on gas.
That gives me a $36,000 cushion "just in case" I need to replace the battery in 10 years, which I sincerely doubt will be an issue. I'm realistically counting on 20 years.
I went from $2,000/mth in fuel and maintenance in my GLA250 to $150/mth in home charging and maybe another $100/mth in supercharging. It’s been glorious.
I went from $2,000/mth in fuel and maintenance in my GLA250
What the fuck. Did you replace the engine every 3 months or something?
GLA250
Mercedes service LOL
$200 an hour workshop rate, but at least the coffee's free, right?
I go to NAPA: fuck Mercedes.
It was north of $100 CAD to fill towards the end. I do a TONNE of driving.
That’s if you’re saving that $300 a month in a savings account.
Am I the only one that budgets his expenses and saves what he can? To me the money I've saved on gas literally has upped my savings contribution but about 200 bucks a month.
Idk why you’re downvoted, it’s a legitimate concern. $300 on gas but then spent else where “because I saved on gas” is different than having that $300 go to a dedicated savings fund for a new car/battery
Yeah seems straightforward to me.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/08/14/this-investment-could-turn-100-per-month-into-5000/
I didn’t read the full article but you should get the gist. If you take that $300 and invest it, over 10+ years you could easily come up with a solid down payment on a new house or pay for college for a kid.
Not relevent to my situation. I bought the car for my 65th birthday. No regrets.
Mine's a 2020.
Mine's a 2020.
There is absolutely no way to know this at this point. More than likely batteries will be cheaper then than now, as they tend to be going down in price. But it’s hard to know.
That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily worth worrying about. Unless when you buy an ICE car you are pricing out what a new engine or transmission will cost that car in a decade.
IMO the biggest concern is whether Tesla batteries can be rebuilt. They tend to use a lot of glue in their packs so replacing individual cells is impossible, and replacing modules is difficult. A healthy rebuild market though could make batteries very cheap - take your car in with a 'dead' battery, have a new one fitted for $5000, and get $2000 core charge for the old one. Reasonable enough maintenance on a 10yr+ old car.
Thank you for your comment - that’s what I was wondering - if any new service company was is that market / potential future market…
I’m skeptical on battery price in the future. I assume the batteries will get smaller with more energy so part of me says we will get more range which may cost more actually.
Technology does not historically get more expensive even as it improves.
Batteries have one of the slowest innovation cycles. Most of the range increases will likely come from other car efficiencies
It’s not apples to apples unfortunately. ICE cars have been proven to be reliable with regular maintenance . I’ve owned 5-8 Toyota’s/Honda’s well over 100-150k miles each vehicle before selling them. None have needed an engine replacement or transmission replacement. Even then, engines and transmissions on those cars are much less expensive than a battery pack. You can pick up a used engine and have a mechanic install it for as little as a couple grand (depending on the engine), you can’t say that about the batteries.
Can’t say that about the batteries on these cars. So it’s fair for OP to ask about future battery costs.
Thanks for your comments - you explained my questioning better than I did :)
Just paid $12000 on a 2018 SR with 350k
Really? What’s the range say at 100%? Very curious even though it doesn’t really matter.
Last I noticed it was around 340kms
That’s not too bad at all. Specially for the mileage. I’m impressed.
Curious, did the car just 'die' (as in the battery had a fatal failure) or were you just disappointed with the range.
There was a HV warning, then the battery would deplete in less than 100kms of actual distance despite saying it had 300+ kms. Then it wouldn’t charge
You should be good for another 350k
That's awesome. I'm just hoping to get 300k in my lr and I'll be thrilled
Thanks. That’s crazy high mileage!
What major work was done to your vehicle during this time of ownership?
Currently it's in a range between $7k-$17k depending on pack size I presume. Personally I would think a smaller pack size would be cheaper overall if you need it to be replaced.
Probably cheaper with better batteries than today. 10 years I man we could imagine world end to flying cars.
We were promised flying cars by the year 2000. Don’t hold your breath 😝
Edit: wrong emoji
I bought an DLP rear projection tv at one point, $1,450 for a 50" screen. Originally the bulb replacement was estimated at $300. The first time I actually bought a replacement it was $120. The second time a whole smart LCD TV replacement was under $300. Who knows what battery tech/prices will be available in 10-12 years.
There are two modes for degradation. One due to charge cycles and the other to age. We don’t have enough time yet to have example of 10 year old batteries yet, but mileage reports are impressive.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/this-2018-tesla-model-3-passed-the-300000-mile-mark-here-s-what-you-need-to-know-194534.html
Thanks for sharing the article - interesting!
World could be over in 10-12 years. So many things could be different. My advice is YOLO get the long range and make a damn baby in it
I think OP should practice making babies in it. But I say hold off on actually making babies to your first point. And they cost more than a new battery anyway.
We have tens of thousands of old EVs…replacing battery packs in a 10-yr old car is not a thing. Just sell the car to someone who doesn’t need the range and buy a new/newer EV. My 2011 Leaf still gets used daily with a 22-mile range. When it drops to 15 miles I will dump it off to next person who can use it as their commuter/beater/2nd car.
22? You use it as a golf car?
Used daily as Commuter/errands/Costco/takeout car in Honolulu where average speeds are 25mph and the typical drive for us is maybe four miles. But yeah you guys in the mainland do it differently…was just in TX and everyone there seemingly doing 40-mile drives for fun at 80mph in 6,000lb trucks. Was completely in awe at the amount of air you guys are pushing around daily.
Yeah I do 15miles daily and consider it little. But I am in europe, in US it would be very little.
Tesla packs should last 1500 charging cycles, so say conservatively 250 miles/ cycle * 1500= 375,000 miles.
You should never expect to replace the pack. Possible, but likely never have to.
Also you wouldn’t replace the whole pack, only a faulty module.
I was thinking the same about my 2014 Leaf. It doesn’t seem so bad, but upgrading to a 60 kWh battery by a third party currently runs $15k.
If Tesla is all in on upgrades (with SS batteries easily by that time), I suspect it could be really inexpensive.
It might get down to $50/kWh of battery storage since I think Tesla is already down to $100/kWh or less.
That is low mileage over 15 years. Good chance no battery replacement would be needed.
There is a Model 3 owner in Toronto, Ontario and has over 300 000km. His car is still in service and still use it everyday with little to maintain it.
You should be ok.
Whenever I see these questions, the best example I can give is my recently retired 2005 Prius. When bought new, the new battery was quoted $8500. Today it's $3000. Adjusting for inflation, the battery is 1/4 the cost today as it was back then.
Yes, this is just a hybrid battery pack, but it shows as a percentage what me might be able to expect in the future. It will certainly trend down, the more EVs hit the road. Where it evens out is really anyone's guess though.
Great example - thank you for this info - gives me a rough idea
If it’s lithium based battery or a battery that still needs lots of rare earth metals we also have to worry about commodity prices… lithium has been going up… main players in the lithium mining or processing are a few… so price control… maybe if we get recycled batteries parts into the mix but I would say prices would probably stabilize or go higher… we have seen companies use tech to make you buy OEM parts and I am guessing batteries would be one of them… lithium supply is going to be lower than demand so I am guessing that that will drive prices up… EV battery tech has been getting better but not at amazing rates year over year… but as others have mentioned other parts will probably start failing before the battery… my worry is the central console… the wiring… heard they use some organic plastic part to house the electrical wiring and in some areas animals eat those wiring…
My recent time travel tells me tree fiddy
The oldest running Tesla has maybe 20-25% degradation on its max battery after a little over a decade. Teslas have gotten exponentially better as newer models are more efficient at everything. There’s really no way to know if you’ll ever need to fully replace a battery but taking 20% or so off the top of your total tank ain’t bad at all. You rarely if ever , drive 100% to 0% in one run without any super chargers or charging nearby.
Two things to consider. Batteries are improving, and getting cheaper.
I have not heard of anyone who has paid for a battery replacement on a model 3.
My 2018 model 3 is holding at 90% after 115,000 miles.
Newer model 3s & Ys are doing even better.
Battery cost has a lot of room for cost efficiency in the next 10 years (the time frame that you might possibly need to replace yours)
No one can guess what that cost will be in 2033 when it might be needed.
My guess; $8000
But the 2033 Tesla is going to be so compelling that you will want a new one.
Buy your Tesla now, because it’s not about the money. You are missing the joy of driving this car every day that you wait.
Thank you for your comments, info & suggestion!
I can’t answer your replacement question but here’s some info on the battery of my 2017 Model X 100D
I have close to 500 charge cycles and my battery degradation is 3 percent, I currently sit at 280 with a full charge. This has been over the span of 6 years and 66,500 miles….from my knowledge Teslas are rated for 1500 recharge cycles. If I maintain current projections at 1500 cycles I’ll have 9 percent battery degradation at 200k miles which will be 25.2 miles out of my initially rated 289 range, that leaves me with 264 miles at full charge. At this point I’m more concerned about one of the two drive units failing before the battery goes out.
Thanks for the info!
Owning the car outside of the battery warranty is a ticking time bomb
I dont plan to keep my car for more than 4-5 years.
There is zero way of predicting battery cost in 3 years let alone 10 years. Best estimate would be $16,000 which is what it costs today. With the expansion of battery, lithium and lithium processing plants, my bet is that batteries are going to be severely commoditized and working on teslas will not be only completed by tesla itself in 10 years and the cost will be substantially less expensive in 10 years.
Batteries are already 95% recyclable.
The most expensive components of the battery are the rare earth metals.
Newer versions of the batteries already use less rare earth metals than older versions; this trend is likely to continue as battery chemistry and tech evolves.
So your current battery may end up having more value as a recyclable than a new battery will cost in 10 years; ie- it could end up being free to replace; so don’t worry about it.
Look up Moore’s Law to learn about the predictable decline in cost as total production increases, batteries are and will continue to follow the declining cost curve.
Why do you think you’ll need to replace the battery at that time? Have you had to replace the engines in your gas cars at that age?
To play devil's advocate, my weed eater with a gas engine at the cottage is still going strong after 20 years but the battery for my weed eater at home lasted 5 years, and the battery is almost as expensive as the weed eater itself.
Personally, I know that that weed eater battery charger is no match for a car BMS, but for the random person starting to look at EV, that could be their past experience with lithium batteries, including cell phone batteries.
Sorry, lent out my crystal ball … get back to you in like a week
https://www.statista.com/statistics/883118/global-lithium-ion-battery-pack-costs/
Judging from this graph you can see that the curve has flattened and that there were no significant cost reductions in the past years.
We don‘t know what the future brings or if the future replacement battery will even be Li-ion. But if there are no significant breakthroughs this should give you a general idea. Tesla charged in the past between 20-30k, depending on the car, if I remember right, although at least for a mode 3 it should be closer to 15k. Not sure what they go for now…
Thank you
It’s a fairly aggressive assumption that there would be no substantial tech gains given all of the money currently flowing into the battery space.
But you’re right that it may not even be Lithium based, and even if it is, the energy density could be much higher or it could be cheaper to produce as volume continues to rise.
I believe CATL recently announced that their new line of lithium based cells are up 20% for storage density which is a huge increase that could allow smaller packs and lower costs.
I work in auto. As it stands right now, the HV pack replacement for Tesla and Polestar is $18-22,000. We’re all banking it will be cheaper then, and it will, but by how much no one knows. I would, and do myself, lease at least two generations of EVs so we can see where this technology goes. I remember seeing someone totally boned in a first year Model S that had the battery and a drive motor go at 110,000 miles last year. He showed me the service bill being $26,000 and that removed any hesitation I had about short-term financing… and made my nuts twinge.
I’m glad I didn’t take this advice. My S is 8.5 years old with 156k miles. I’d be on my third lease by now and would have flushed a bunch of money down the toilet. Battery is very healthy.
I've got a friend with a 2013 Model S, that just crossed its 10-year manufacturing birthday. Still original battery. It charges slow on DC (though it has 80-amp AC dual chargers, of course that still goes 80A), and it's experienced more than its fair share of drive unit issues... but it absolutely still works fine.
The Model 3 is even more advanced, taking 6-odd more years (at the time of my car - now 11 and counting) of intense testing and further refinement into account, and my 5-year-old Model 3 was still Supercharging at 250kW at low SOC%, without noticeable degradation (lost a few miles, after nearly 100k miles), before I sold it. I expect it to last even longer than my friend's S.
I'm certain you'll be perfectly fine keeping it for 15 years and never needing to worry about the battery. The software, though... 🤔
Thanks for the info!
From what I’ve read the batteries last 22-30yrs depending on distance traveled each year.
Insane question
How is that insane? It’s fair to wonder how much it would cost to keep the car going in the worse case scenario.
Why even care, you’re not gonna replace the battery in 10-12 years, you’re more likely to replace the car.
I wouldn't even bet my car will last 10-12 years without getting in some type of accident.
There are already third party companies that do Tesla battery work.
There are already third party companies that do Tesla battery work.
The Model 3 hasn’t existed long enough to know.
But Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years or 160k km, whichever happens first. Use that info for what you will.
160k km is for SR+ in the US. 193k km for LR and P.
Not sure I'd commit on an EV in Montreal considering the effect of cold weather on batteries + MTL potholes. You could argue for a Model Y but the clearance is only about 1 inch more.
Well to be realistic, a 12 year old Model 3 will be out of warranty and will have depreciated considerably, so I'd guess that a battery replacement would easily total the car out.
In other words, a high-mileage, out of warranty EV of any make or model, that needs a *new* replacement battery---is a "throw-away".
That doesn't mean it couldn't be fixed, --it just means that it would make no financial sense whatsoever, given all the other old parts on the car.
Another important question for the future as Tesla has gone from a “skateboard” design to a structural battery pack is when end of life comes for the structural will they just make you buy a new vehicle?
The structural pack drops out easy enough. The car is not structurally sound until you put it back in. So don’t go twisting the car with the pack out and you wont have a problem. It happens as they make the car in the factory too.
On one hand Tesla is working on getting batteries better all the time and on the other hand there is no regulation in the US (as far as I know) which enforces minimum period of spare parts production after model discontinuation - my guess - it will be very complicated to source a new “old” battery for a 10-12 years old vehicle. And with respect to changes done, integration of new model battery into the old model vehicle can be problematic as well. If it is not a bolt off/bolt on solution - only some specialized shops will be able to do such refurbishment - not a price reducing factor.
If one of the commenters here is right about Apple strategy - it is probably better to lease Model 3 rather than own it.
We need third parties in this space.
I can't see EV cars being remotely similar in 10-12 years. Like by that time I'm sure there will be much much better upgrades of cars that the 2023 M3 is gonna be like a RC car in comparison
From the looks of it Teslas are going 300k-400k-500k miles on original battery You maybe overthinking things
A used Model 3 could probably be had for $7-8K in 10-12 years. Could just buy one and swap the batteries.
Or even better, sell your Model 3 when the battery pack fails. That could be in 9 years or 25 years. Then get a new one. ;)
I think it's safe to assume that a model 3 vs a gas car will have a significantly cheaper cost of ownership over 10+ years... I'm over 4 years in a 2019 m3, and it costs me about 4 bucks to "fill up" in my garage, and my maintenance has included tires and wipers over 35k miles ish....But, If you're really that concerned then you shouldn't buy it.
Battery is going to last 300-500k miles. Whatever that is in km. And at one point Elon tweeted about 20k for a full pack replacement. Yes I’m 15 years prices should be lower
Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a refurbished pack that has a generous warranty?
You can. One guy got his for 9k and they cover it for 50k miles. Then you’re forking over 9k again. And refurb are about 15% used up already.
Many folks had the same question about the Prius circa 2005. Batteries at that time were scandalously expensive, but costs have dropped continuously, to the point that swapping a traction battery for new is less than a transmission rebuild in a conventional car.
The trajectory of Tesla battery costs will be similar. But no one can predict the actual cost N years ahead. Just, it’ll be lower.
LR Only!!!
I live in Montréal bought a standard range and its brutal in the winter here. Driving around McGill area on hills is not fun. Get stuck pretty much everywhere.
Consider an AWD model seriously a
Thanks for sharing - good to know as I was hesitating between rwd and the awd model.
Get the LR and in 15 years, even if it’s turned into an SR, you won’t need to replace the battery. It’ll only lose range, not give out altogether. So as long as it’s at least got the range of the longest distance between two superchargers you’d need, you’re fine. Maybe the chargers are spaced out more up there, but here, even if I dropped to 70% of my original range, it would be about the same charging time, just more shorter stops - it’s the same amount of energy. Like an ICE car with a smaller gas tank.
Thanks and good point
rubs crystal ball
coughs
Approximately……$16,403.90
Also, your grandson says,hello!
I’d recommend consulting some tea leaves and/ or a ouija board for good measure (to validate the figure I’ve provided).
The average life of a car in the US at least is 10 years.
Don’t do it, get yourself a Toyota Prime series and spare yourself the costs and trouble.
The simple answer is get the standard range model 3 which can be charged to 100% everyday since it is so strong because of its LFP battery pack. But charging to 80% in the standard range would also get you a lot more life up to 500,000 miles. Other Tesla Models the carry Lithium ION battery pack and will only give you 300,000 miles and says 100% charges are reserved for long trips.
I dont meant to be a jerk, but isnt there more to life than how much my car cost after 10 years?
There is - so why even worry right? If the battery dies, that’s your future self’s problem. He can deal with it. Until then, party your ass off - who cares about the future? Carpe diem.
(As a former employee) Due to an NDA, I can't say much. But let's just say that I (may or may not) have seen many different quality issues get brushed aside (for production numbers sake). I would be amazed if you got a full 10 years out of it, despite what their "engineered mean fail" is written for.
Tesla’s single shaft motor is tested to last over a million miles easily but on its second battery. Buy new to extract the most use out of it - tax incentives apply for people inside the US including free parking and other limited privileges. Just like an iPhone’s battery capacity where it recommends a replacement at or below 80% tesla offers (13-15)00 cycles until you reach that mark. Although an iPhone slows down and gets groggy at that age it is not the same case with Tesla - acceleration will be unequivocally responsive as it was in day one. (Free battery change if you dip below 70% before or at 120,000 mi. this usually means the battery was a defective one!) You have passed the warranty … so now your usable battery is at (70-80)% … now what? this doesn’t mean you have to replace it - with proper wakefulness, preconditioning, and charge cycles you can extend this until it dies. Literally !! However, that’s not the case here. . . assuming the tesla (all model avg) does 240 mi. per cycle, you are at 360,000 mi. at ~(70-80)%. At this point if you averaged about 12-15,000 mi. per year, you are at 24-30 years of use. At that point, the battery module replacement shouldn’t cost as high as it is now which is about $7,500-$8,500.
Ok I’m convinced everyone here is working for Tesla.
Get the LR I regret owning a SR as my driving for work puts me in the upper end of its range.
Yes, I had my quoted to be replaced after my cousin stole my M3P while I was in the hospital.
It was $15K!
How about you just enjoy the car and not think about it? You never did the same thing for ICE cars.
Is this FUD or trolling? Similar questions asked in the last few days and OP never responds.
For what its worth. Add up ICE car maintenance over 10 years compared to EV and you could buy a battery. The actual question should be what is the cars depreciated value as this takes in all factors. Including whats fuel going to cost in 10 years. If the earth is going to survive fossil fuel better be a rare luxury. So an ICE car will be very depreciated.
Agreed. Personally I drive every car into the ground. No point in ditching a working tool for another. Even though gas is getting higher, I won't ditch my 01 expedition until it's so bad I can't repair it anymore. At that point the economic advantage finally tips in to new car territory, and you can bet this expedition will be my last gas.
By the time you will likely need a new battery pack, who can even guess the advancement in battery tech that will likely be available.
Out of the 8 year 100k miles warranty, if you went directly to tesla to get it fixed, expect to pay around 15k for a new battery. If you went to a smaller private battery repair shop, it will cost about 2500 to fix. Take note its incredibly rare for these packs to fail under 400k miles.
https://www.evsrepublic.com/services/model-3/hv-battery
Thanks for the link - interesting to see pricing - better than I expected
I saw nothing of 2500 battery fix but if you really know of someone who will do it for that much you could be a millionaire overnight
teslas have this weird balance of their batteries will probably be replacable but we also know they changed them so many times without documenting that people have tried to get replacements only to find their car had some weird revision of battery and it will cost a lot extra
also the new model Ys to make matters much worse will need a completely new pack because musk has glued all the cells together in a big pink mess of foam so no individual battery modules like older cars have which can be swapped out
Man, everyone here is talking about a brand new battery.
With the volume that the Model 3/Y is being produced, I'm just gonna source a used pack of mine ever fails. Prices are as low as $5000 for a complete pack from a 2018 on ebay.
As more units continued to be produced, you'll find more that get totaled out and scrapped for parts.
Complete battery pack replacement on a Model 3, performed by Tesla, will be between $16-$17k including labor.
A quick glance at used Model 3 prices on Carvana shows that used prices are ludicrously high at the moment… everything is about $30k MINIMUM.
Why would anyone pay $30k for a used Tesla when you could get a brand new one for a couple thousand more? 🤷♂️
But I digress. In any event, $17k is probably going to be a hard pill to swallow…
and if you CAN afford that, you’d probably just do what others have suggested: sell it for parts and buy another vehicle.
This popped up on my phone when I was at Walmart, went back and asked the auto dude, he said about $160 to replace the battery.
EV cars always be more expensive than petrol cars long term. The only reason you will get an EV is because you hate going to gas stations and make the Saudis and American Oil companies richer. At my shop ( not Tesla) trained OEM , specialize EV techs with experience working in EV cars ( specially high voltage battery repairs) earn easy $4-6 more than experience OEM none EV techs . So this means any repairs you get will be extremely expensive, very FEW DiY repairs and local none dealer garages will not do EV repairs as the special tools are extremely expensive with very low. My dealership we open cases with engineering to help us guide us the next step ( even that they build them is a guessing game)
I don’t think that’s true. Long term they become cheaper than ICE vehicles.
I think the main thing to worry about is repairability . Seems like these cars are so complicated that any little bump almost requires a car replacement.
It might make sense to buy a new car in 10 years.
If you have the LFP battery, expect it to outlive the car.
Wow, like 223 comments on here not one even attempting an answer to the question?
I will, figure $20,000 parts and labor in today's money. Inflation will probably double that in 15 years.
IF it happens, which as 223 people have pointed out it probably won't, consider the car salvage at thar point.
I’m about halfway there in my 2018 model 3. Battery has leveled off with 270 miles remaining. Pretty sure you don’t need a new battery then.
Saw an interesting video recently on the topic showing how EV battery prices kept declining last few years and that if you buy an EV chances are by the time you need to change it the prices will have significantly dropped and be much more affordable
It’s not like you’re going to wake up one day and your battery won’t work. It will just gradually lose range. When the range reduces so much that it won’t meet all your needs, you’ll likely repurpose it and buy a new one. It should meet your needs for 15 years or so, assuming you drive it 20,000 miles/35,000 kMs per year.
A couple of years ago I bought a bunch of loose used 18650s which were out of 2008 to 2010 laptops with the intent of replacing the lead acid battery in my electric bike. They were 2.5 amp hours rated and they were tested by the seller. I cycled them on a NTC-3100 tester and they all tested at between 2.3 and 2.4 amp hours. So they don't seem to lose much capacity by just sitting around.
Edit - They were a mix of Sanyo, Samsung, Panasonic etc. None of them leaked either.
20k roughly but in 10yrs it may go up due to inflation or come down due to advancements
i don't think the battery just dies,, you will get a lot less miles, maybe 272 mile range become 150 miles range after 12 years.. which i am okay with, probably.
I have 100k miles on my Model 3 and my son has 85k miles. Both are 4 years old. My range is 285 and his is 300. I use TeslaFi and there are many Model 3’s with 200k+ miles.
Just saw a 2018 long range red with 245k come in my work...m still getting 245miles of range at 100%
It’s worth considering that a Tesla goes 100 miles for about $3.50 at average electricity prices, so you will save $15000-$20,000 in fuel costs over the course of 300k km. I suppose you could spend a portion of that on a new battery, assuming there was something wrong with your old one by then, or you could get a new car, which appears to be what you do now.
Why would you need to replace the battery? If it's still running fine but has even 80% of its previous max range... would you need to replace the battery or buy a new car just for that?
The repair costs are outrageous once it's out of warranty
I have a good friend who’s Kia engine blew at 60k miles. They refused warranty on the engine because they were able to show she had not changed the spark plugs at 50,000 miles as recommended by the manufacturer. Long fight followed. My point being you should avoid anecdotes and stick with data on a normal distribution of battery life. Which is likely 300k miles or more. There are subs dedicated to cherry picking data to scare you.
Man, I’m still trying to find a replacement pack price in this thread all I find is “but you won’t need it…”. Are we saying nobody has purchased a replacement battery for a Model 3 yet, for any reason? What was the cost?
If you go with SR+, you are likely getting LFP batteries. We literally have no idea just how long they will last, but they will almost certainly outlast your car. They are predicted to last longer than current batteries, and those are getting 200,000 to 300,000 miles before needing replacing. (These are real physical devices, so there will always be anecdotes about how something went wrong earlier)
Let's say they do go bad after ten years. We do not have any idea how much batteries will cost, but it's likely they will cost much less than they do now. Investment in battery production is off the charts, and at least some analysts predict that battery prices will drop by another 90% over the next ten years. These are the same analysts who correctly predicted the drop in prices over the last ten years, so there is some reason to take them seriously.
But I should repeat: the actual price could be very volatile, especially if EVs replace ICE faster than expected, and thus, faster than investment can keep up.
The important thing is to take care of the batteries. If you get the LR, you will get the "classic" batteries that should generally be charged to 80% on a daily basis. If you go to 100%, you should drive fairly soon after you fully charge. If you get the SR+, then you can charge to 100% more often. You can probably do it daily with minimal negative effects. But you *should* charge to 100% at least once or twice a week. It helps the BMS maintain the batteries better.
Supercharging is not great for your batteries (or your pocketbook). For long trips: not a problem. But if you are doing it daily, it will have an effect.
Personally, I would not worry too much about the replacement costs. It's mostly just the last semi-respectable FUD position left, now that range, charging station availability, safety, and even purchase price have all been eliminated as valid talking points for the FUDsters.
You may want to consider a lease, that way you aren't stuck with it when things start to break. Mercedes has a similar issue, eventually they cost more to repair than they are worth.
Some guy was on a donut media video with 400,000 miles on his model S
I have a 2013 P85s and at about 75k miles the battery stopped taking a charge. At that point, I didn’t have any issues or indication of the battery having a problem and could still charge it to 240 miles.The worst part was this happened 2 weeks after the warranty ran out. I took it into the service center and I was told I needed a new battery, then quoted $25k for a new battery or “between $9-13k” for a refurbished. I asked for some kind of “good will” help with the warranty and coverage on the battery since the car had spent over 2 weeks in the shop with other problems ( it needed a complete drive unit replacement at 45k miles). After 2weeks of back and forth with the service manager he offered me a $4k discount on a refurbished battery. I was thinking of taking him up on the offer until he gave me the discounted quote for the refurb at $13k. He bumped the original price up to $17k and subtracted the $4k “discount” quoting me the original price he gave me in a previous visit ($13k).
Anyway, the takeaway from this is- The battery took a dump at 75,000 miles, 2 weeks after the 8 year warranty ran out, and Tesla didn’t stand behind their product or offer any real help at all…..only offered to sell me a $13k used battery for $13k dollars . They literally raised the price of the battery to $17k then gave me the imaginary $4k dollar “discount” which dropped it to the original price of $13k.You shouldn’t have to pay a $25,000.00 repair bill fir a car that has only 75k miles on it.
Normally they last over 5000 charges. My 2014 Fiat 500e is at 1000 charges and my SOH is 97%
A regular car battery went up 100% since I bought one last, paid $212
If you drive a lot the possible replacement battery cost should be greatly outweighed by fuel and maintenance cost.
My Tesla has 130k and I've saved roughly 20.000$ in fuel and maintenance. I don't see anyone here talking about Gas. Jesus gas is like 6.30$ here in Cali.
A friend of mine has a 2020 Model 3. She drives all over Florida for work and the battery just quit taking a charge. She owes $19,000 on the car. Tesla will only give her $4k on trade and the battery replacement is $16,000 about with parts and labor. The car has 116,000 miles on it. She’s as they say…screwed. The safest bet is to trade it in before the battery warranty runs out.
sell ur tesla get a gasser honda. if u want something fast then get a street bike its way funner and faster than a tesla and can fit it anywhere. if that battery goes in ur car it wont be worth anything. EV's are not the future period. see what happens the next bubble that pops.
114k miles, charge up to 300 miles, long range Y
I really don’t think this is that big of a deal. There are a bunch of replacement battery packs that you can buy online for $1500-$1700 and the labor to put them in is similar if you really did need it.
I know it’s easy to think “well, if I get a gas car, the gas tank doesn’t go bad” but the reality is other stuff goes bad and it’s not cheap. My VW had the transmission go and that plus labor was comparable.
That depends on what Tesla wants you to do with your 10+ years old car.
You can get a few pointers on Bjorn Nyland’s YouTube channel. With the help of a sponsor, he repurchased one of his previous car, a 2013 Model S P85D mostly with the idea of showing if owning an older, out of warranty Tesla is feasible.
But consider this: Apple keeps parts for its computers for five years since they are discontinued, and “encourages” users to purchase a new computer rather than fixing their existing one by keeping spare parts and repair prices high.
Tesla has copied A LOT of pages from Apple’s book, and they are doing more or less the same.
They are even tempting existing Model S owners with free supercharging to get a new car (to take free supercharging off the equation by limiting it to three years).
Tesla prefers newer cars on the road.
EDIT: downvoted by the usual pathetic losers who don’t even know how to reply?
Maybe the most correct answer here.
DON'T BUY A TESLA, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY REGRET IT LIKE I AM
I literally got the car 3 days ago and have to schedule an appointment to get it fixed for issues that have been known for at least 3 years... windows rattling and speakers crackling...
Piece of shit, buy a car from a legacy car company.
We wont know. But in 10 years, maybe $5-10k with work. All done. This is not related to your question but don’t forget to order your Tesla via a referral link to get Tesla Store Credits to get free supercharger miles, accessories or gadgets for in Tesla's shop :)
Back off with the referral spam. Please.