tesla In your experience, generally how many years till a battery would need replacement?
In your experience, generally how many years till a battery would need replacement?
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In your experience, generally how many years till a battery would need replacement?
Despite what people are saying, not enough of them have failed to really know. If you search the sub, you can read what people have been quoted for replacements. I can tell you mine at 180k seems just fine.
Don't worry about needing a battery replacement for the life of the Model 3.
I have a 2020 Model 3 with 72k miles on it. A Recurrent analysis shows my battery degradation is 9%. I use about 1/3 of the miles for road trips where I use the Tesla superchargers.
The measured battery degradation is linear, except for the very first month where it dropped 4% (I expected this - I'm a bit of a battery geek).
So, the car may be at roughly 18% degradation when the Tesla battery warranty runs out at 120k miles. That will still leave me with 280-ish miles of range, which is more than enough for my usage.
I expect that there will be suspension parts that need replacing at that point, so any decision to replace the car will probably not involve the state of the battery.
Edit: the battery warranty is 120k miles, not 140k.
We have the same model/year. I agree with your assessment. I'll add that people consistently comment on how "new" my interior looks, despite me lugging my grandkids around everywhere with spilled juice, happy meals, french fries and goldfish. All I do is wipe it down with a baby wipes.
It is unlikely to degrade much over those next 50K miles.
That’s about when mine plateaued, then it’ll be nigh flat for a long time.
Warranty runs out at 120k, right???
You're absolutely correct. Thanks. I'll update my comment.
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In theory repeated full throttle accelerations would cause more battery degradation as it requires a high current flow.
I don't know if anybody has done any engineering studies on how much more it degrades.
I do plenty of launches. I have to experience the 'touch the gas and I'm flying' at least once a week as long as the road is dry and traffic is light.
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I come from a car background as a hobby. I did nearly all the work on my 2014 Accord before I traded it in for my 19 M3LR. I plan on fixing all I can on Blueberri including the control arms etc. Can’t wait!
When you replace the batteries, choose Duracell.
But energizer keeps on going and going and going…
Big battery marketing winning here
250 miles per charge x 1000 charges = 250000 miles, most likely battery is good for 2-3k charges or more, so 500-750k is a reasonable expectation
I mean functionally maybe, but capacity that would be up to the owner to determine. Lithium ion battery degradation curves usually reach a certain point after which capacity plummets
Lithium ion battery degradation curves usually reach a certain point after which capacity plummets
Do you have any references on this? This hasn't been my experience. I find the degradation is quite linear, after an initial drop of 4% in the first month. I know a few Tesla Model S owners with 140k+ miles that haven't had 'capacity plummets' moment.
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2021/cp/d1cp00359c
And 140k to me doesn’t sound like the point where I would expect to see that, a 265 mile range model S would put that only at 528 cycles, although I’m sure a little more than that from range reduction over time. Tesla batteries are expected to last somewhere around 1500 cycles even though the warranty doesn’t cover all of that
See this confuses me. They say it’s best to always leave it plugged in. I plug it in 4-5 times a day (lot of short trips from the house and back) but doesn’t that count as a charge. Should I only charge once a day overnight ?
The commenter said “charge” but he meant “cycle”. A cycle is the full use of the battery 100% - 0%. A battery’s expected life is measured by number of cycles
Degradation is caused by the electrons running into the atoms as it travels through the layers of the battery. Keeping it at a high charge but not high enough to be volatile(over 80%) and your charging speed/voltage will decrease therefore decreasing the speed of electrons and the chance of a collision.
aka Your doing the right thing!
No, one charge is 0-100%, so if you charge 30% on a given day that is 30% of a charge.
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elonns states 1500 charges
Bro, that is the cost to replace a chevy bolt battery lol, tesla is much more reasonable. ffs bullshit spreads far and wide.
I’m guessing it’s around 14-16k to replace a battery outside of warranty.
The M3 should be more reasonable than the S which seems to be 20-22k to replace from Tesla.
Curious how the structural battery pack is going to impact replacement cost moving forward…sounds like it’s going to to be much more involved to try and replace something like that.
Munro pulled and dissected a structural battery pack already, so it still unbolts from the car and can be replaced. However it is the interior floor of the car also, so it carries the seats and console etc, plus it is sealed on the perimeter. So a bit more involved but still very doable
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2020 MYLR, was wondering the same last week so I did my own little test, turned out I have 69.3 kWh left, compared to 73kwh when it was new. Current odometer reading is 59,118, had put a few good road trips on it, including one from LA to NYC and back, and one from LA to OH one way. Pretty decent I'd say.
I know a guy who recently had to replace his Model 3 battery at 150k mi. Caveat: He's an Uber/Lyft driver and supercharges, exclusively. That puts more stress on the battery, over time. Generally speaking, these battery packs should provide good, reliable service for at least 200-300k mi.
I’m pretty sure the whole point of BMS is to prevent supercharging from significantly affecting battery life. I supercharge a lot and haven’t really seen anything out of the ordinary. I can tell you that my charging sessions spend less time at peak power from the chargers than they used to, causing the sessions to be slightly longer, and that’s the bms doing its job.
How much did that cost? And how much did their battery degrade?
Here's the link to who I was talking about. I think he answers your questions, here. https://youtu.be/4mW1Eb0dz6I
Packs made since 2017 are REALLY robust. My best guess: ~15-20 years at LEAST.
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They’re not old enough to have real world numbers. This is a “best guess” based on the degradation graphs circling out there.
My 2017 MS 100D has lost ~8% in the past 5.5 years…..
This has been my philosophy. Just picked up my model 3 a couple weeks ago. Not even worried/stressing about battery health. I drive a lot and have to supercharge more than others probably, but is what it is. 8 year warranty is solid and I’ve never owned a car for 8 years anyways.
This has been my philosophy. Just picked up my model 3 a couple weeks ago. Not even worried/stressing about battery health. I drive a lot and have to supercharge more than others probably, but is what it is. 8 year warranty is solid and I’ve never owned a car for 8 years anyways.
But I just bought a out of warranty 2015 model s are you saying I’m royally f’ed ?
Generally, batteries will last 300000 miles or 20 years. It's a complete non-issue. It's like asking how many miles a gasoline engine lasts before major repairs.
completely different. You cannot say a dodge will last the same as a honda as BOTH are unleaded
Bet. We're already at 5 years.
Lmao - I was just thinking anything CDJR will fall apart in less that 5 years.
Warranty is 8 years
You'll never need to replace it unless you damage it.
I'm almost out of warranty at 3 years.
ok.
For the average male it can actually be less depending on your car.
For the M3LR and M3P they have 120,000 mile warranty.
The average US male drives 16,550mi/year: that’s 7.25 years to hit warranty
Average US male 35-54years old drives 18858: 6.36 years
Not so sure I buy that. Think about professional truck drivers, and that 84.3% of them are men. When considering the number of miles driven professional, your sample becomes heavily skewed. However if you consider average civilian Jack & Jill, I would bet their “mileage” probably leans a bit closer to parity. Searching for data is a great step, however synthesizing it is important for it to transform into information. Just friendly advise from your local perennially skeptical Data Scientist.
we are talking AVERAGE car drivers. MOST men arent truckers. In fact 1.9% are. Your argument is not equivalent.
Sure but they make up ~1% of the total population and this isn’t a scientific report or even a new article it’s a simple Reddit comment.
I also said “can be less”, not that it is for sure less for everyone. I have a few numbers so that people can plug in whatever their actual mileage is to get a clue.
My main point wasn’t that all male drivers should worry about their warranty but that any reader should consider that their warranty might expire earlier than they thought.
Me specifically I road trip a lot and travel ~20,000 miles a year so my warranty will expire long before the 8 year mark.
It’s not the percentage of the population that alerts me, it’s the percentage of total miles driven by that small subset (professional drivers) that skews the mileage distribution assumptions. Average truckers can put down +2k miles a week…also not just long-haul trucking where men log miles for professional reasons at a result-skewing level:
Delivery Drivers 83% Taxi drivers 79% Ride Share 60%
Not meant as an attack in any way, just find the assumption to be a gap too wide. I’d suggest researching a closer analogue, for example average miles per year on consumer vehicle. Even utilizing your source, I’d use the total average instead (closer to 13k miles per year) to correct for some of that difference.
What other male facts do you have for us?
why do you care? isnt the issue on one topic?
woosh
I chose male because the average female drives significantly less in the US so this doesn’t apply to them.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
So if we just massage data and ignore half the people...
Well no. I said for the average male it can be less. For the average female it isn’t.
I didn’t say for the average American, that would be ignoring half the data.
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Check you own mileage to make sure that you know how long you can expect your warranty to last!
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Well yes..?
It doesn't die the day yotr warranty is up ffs.
Anyhow I'm done with you buy a BMW.
It doesn't die the day yotr warranty is up ffs.
Anyhow I'm done with you buy a BMW.
Read your manual. Warranty is not 8 years.
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive
8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Long Range/Model 3 Performance
8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
yeah read that warranty...
Then you saw the "or 100,000 miles" and "or 120,000 miles".
Looks to be about 6 to 10 months, and then the battery generally starts to see issues.
I have a model x with 70k and the battery died with no warning. It was fine until it went out. 95% of charging was done at home to 80%. I'm grateful it's being fixed under warranty.
It will last far longer than the motor in your ice vehicle. Figure 750k for the SR, and 500k for the LR.
Did you really buy a Tesla without knowing the answer to that question? Come on.
I'd say 200k
Where do you even get this nonsense from lol.
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I recently picked up a '15 Model S that had the rear drive unit replaced in 2018 @ 72k miles, and the battery pack replaced in 2021 @ 139k miles. Take that for what it's worth as it is a Model S, and an older model, so I'm not sure what the differences (if any) in drive units and battery packs. I know the battery pack it was replaced with was different that the one that originally came with the car (both in size, and "generation").
For the record, I also own a '19 M3P.
How much to replace on the M3?
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So steep.. but no one would buy it by the time it's ready for a new battery
There are a ton on here and YouTube with over 100k without issue.